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??So, here today, I'm here with Xiao Tang who has recently done the IELTS tests. And done very very well. Gonna say hello. Hi, Xiao Tang.
今日，有我和晓棠在这儿。晓棠迩来考了雅思，还拿了非常好的成果。打个招待，嗨，晓棠。
Hello, Keith. Hi. How are you doing?
哈喽，基斯。嗨，你好吗？
Not so bad. Pretty good. Very good. Very good. Fantastic! Well, listen, congratulations on your test results which you just got through the other day, right? - Yeah. Thank you very much.
还不错，挺好的，极好。非常好。太棒了！听着，恭喜你拿到成果了，你几天前拿到成果了对吧？- 是的。非常谢谢。
Fantastic! So, how are you feeling at the moment? Well, I'm really excited because you know, like, IELTS was a huge, like, challenge in my life, but um, now I've gone through it.
太棒了！如今觉得怎么样？嗯，我非常激动，因为雅思是我日子中的一个应战，但如今我现已阅历了它。
And a new chapter of my life just opened up, yeah, and then I can stand, I can start to plan about my future. yeah. It's really a relax after a long time.
并翻开了我人生的一个新华章，然后我可以初步方案我的将来。尽力了很长时刻总算舒了一口气。
Sure. So, listen, tell us a little bit about yourself first of all, where you're from and what you do, and why you studied for IELTS. Okay, so my home city is Beijing and I come from China.
必定啦。那么，先跟咱们说说你的情况，你来自哪里，你是做啥的，还有为啥你备考雅思。好的。我老家在北京，我来自我国。
Currently, I'm a student studying in the University of Melbourne, Australia. The reason why and I'm doing IELTS is because, well, I did my bachelor degree on social work and to get my skill assessments passed, I will need to provide my English results which means IELTS.
当前我是澳大利亚墨尔本大学的一论理学生。我之所以要考雅思是因为我的学士学位是社会作业，为了经过技能评价，我需要供给我的英语成果，也就是雅思成果。
And by having that, I can apply for the permanent residency at Australia and to have a better job in future, yeah. Right, okay. So, it's residency kind of immigration and career 
as well.
有了它，我就可以请求澳大利亚的耐久居留权，将来有非常好的作业。好的。是因为移民，获得居住权和作业思考。
Let's, let's go back a little bit to when you started preparing for IELTS. Because I'm sure people would be interested to know how you prepare it to get the results that you got.
让咱们回想一下你们初步预备雅思考试的时分。因为我信赖我们会有快乐喜爱晓得你如何备考，并获得了你如今的成果。
By the way, what result did you get in IELTS? I forgot to ask.
趁便问一下，你的雅思考了多少分？我忘了问。
Well, the highest mark I got for speaking IELTS is 8, I mean, that's like I got it, um, you know, later May yeah. Okay. Great. So, let's go back when you're talking about the preparation.
嗯，雅思口语我拿到的最高分是8分，是五月底考的。好，那咱们说回你的备考。
So, how did you prepare and get ready for IELTS? Well, I thought at the beginning I was quite lost, I would say.
你是如何备考雅思考试的呢？嗯，一初步的时分很苍茫。
Because I thought, um, like you know, like, I believe that many people think that as long as they finish all the, you know, the questions online, like they prepare for answers, then they can nail it. It doesn't work for me, yeah.
因为许多人觉稳当他们在网上看完一切的标题，并预备好答案，这样就会成功。这对我没用，是的。
I'm not sure about the other people, but it doesn't work for me. And you know the feeling awful nervous.
我不晓得其别人怎么样，但这对我没用。我感到超级严峻。
That's probably I forgot one question that I never prepared or something like that, like. It was like I try to remember answers at the beginning. - Right.
或许是怕我会忘了预备某个疑问之类的。初步的时分如同是我在尽力地背答案。- 嗯。
But later I started to try to find a teacher and then. . . I remember you told me that try to listen to some podcast. - Yeah.
但后来我试着找个教师，然后......我记住您叫我试着听一些播客。- 是的。
Remember that? - Yep. Yeah, and I started to listen to different podcast programs when I take showers or go for work. - Right, surrounding yourself with English.
还记住吗？- 嗯。对，然后我初步在洗澡或去作业的时分听不一样的播客节目。- 没错，让你自个置身英语的环境中。
It's interesting the bit about memorizing. So, memorizing doesn't always work for people, so you change your approach a little bit.
关于背答案这一点很风趣。背答案并非合适每自个，所以你略微改动了办法。
Can you talk about that a little bit? Sure, so, I mean it's not a, that you prepare for questions, you know what I mean, like, I think there's difference between remember answers and prepare for answers.
你能谈谈这个吗？可以，我觉得你为标题做好预备和你背诵答案之间是有差异的。
That's totally different. Like, when you try to remember something, it means you write it down, you try to memorize it, you try to remember every word.
那是完全不一样的。当你尽力记住某些东西，这意味着你把它写下来，尽力背诵它，尽力记住每一个字。
And if the examiner, like, suddenly interrupt you or like they lead you to another direction, you got lost. You prepare for answers means, like, okay, I have some materials in my mind.
假定考官俄然打断你或把你引向另一个方向，那你就不知所措了。而你为标题做好预备就是，好吧，我脑中有些材料。
I thought about this question before, so when I'm asked, I can give an answer. That's different, yeah.
我思考过这个疑问，所以当我被问到的时分我能给出答案。那是纷歧样的。
That's interesting. I totally agree and that there's something I work a lot on is about. I think the idea that preparation is very important.
有意思。我完全附和，而且这是我一向偏重的。我觉得预备作业非常重要。
But it's about building the skill of flexibility and the ability to respond rather than just memorizing and reciting your answers which doesn't always work in IELTS. In fact, it often fails quite badly in IELTS.
但这种预备是树立活络的技能和反应才能，而不是只是记住和背诵你的答案，这在雅思考试中并不老是有用的。实际上，背诵答案常常会考砸。
But that flexibility is key, right? - Yeah. Yeah. And personally, I still remember that. . .
而活络性才是要害，对吧？- 没错。没错。嗯，自个而言，我还记住......
Do you still remember that, like, during our first several face-to-face classes? Alright, I remember my homework was to just to prepare one part two question and record it.
您还记住咱们的前几节课吗？好吧，我记住我的作业是预备一个第二有些的疑问并录音。
But that record is, like, I prepare for that, right? Probably I wrote something down at the beginning, but at the end, I just provide about two-minutes answer and which means I have those things in my mind.
可是那个录音需求是我预备答案，对吧？大约初步的时分我写下了一些东西，但最终我供给了两分钟的答案，我脑中预备了答案。
And finally, I present it, yeah. It's not like you write something down, you, like, you read it or something, yeah.
最终我表达了出来。而不是写下来一些东西然后读出来。
I think practice is important. Absolutely. Yeah. And so, you talked about podcasts which is something we, you know, students can do to listen and get surrounded by language and maybe ideas.
我认为操练很重要。当然了。你说到播客，学生们可以经过听播客让自个置身于英语的环境或思维之中。
What else did you do to get ready for your speaking and to practice your speaking? I think what's important for me was, like, I try to be relax, have a good mood and to watch different videos on YouTube.
为了预备和操练口语，你还做了哪些作业？我试着放松，坚持好意情，并在油管上看不一样的视频，我觉着这对我来说很重要。
Like, not only just to focus on IELTS preparation like that kind of information but also I listened to some YouTube channels like maybe talk about English in the working environment or some TV dramas that I am interested in. - Right. Just listen to English and you, like, I feel this I started to be interested in this language.
不只是是专心于雅思备考，而且我还在油管上听一些有关作业环境中的英语用语还看一些我感快乐喜爱的电视剧。- 嗯。只是是听英语，我感触经过这样做，我初步对这门言语感快乐喜爱。
I have the motivation to learn it and and to use it, yeah. Fantastic! And what for you was the biggest challenge throughout your preparation time for IELTS?
我有学习和运用这门言语的动力，没错。太棒了！在预备雅思考试的时刻，你遇到的最大应战是啥？
Challenge was, well, for speaking, are you only asking about speaking or just for generally? - Generally? It's about confidence, confidence, yeah, I would say, because. . . I'll have to be more modest or something like, but I think I am a good student actually, like, I work hard on my academic study.
应战是，口语的，您问的只是口语的仍是全体而言？- 全体而言。要害是自傲，没错，因为......我得谦善一点，但我自认是个优良的学生，我学习很尽力。
But if you kept failing at one thing, you started to judge yourself sometimes. Like whether I'm not good enough or whether I'm stupid or something like that, yeah.
但假定你一向在一件事上失利，有时你就会初步评判自个。比方我是不是够优良，仍是我很笨，比方此类。
Be careful with that! Yeah. The voice is in your head, right?
要细心对待这次考试！这个声响在你脑中，对吧？
Yeah, yeah, because um, well, I took IELTS for five times this year. - Right. Five times this year in total and I kept getting 6.5 for writing until the latest one, I got 7.
对，对，因为我本年考了五次雅思。- 嗯。本年一共五次，写作一向拿 6.5 分，直到迩来一次拿了 7 分。
Like, finally, I pass it. But what supported me along the way was, um, I feel "okay, there was something wrong", but I need to find the problem.
总算过了。一路上支撑我的是，我在想“好吧，有点不队棰”，但我要找到疑问地址。
I'm not the problem. The problem is the problem and I need to figure out what it is and to get it right.
疑问不在我身上。疑问就是疑问，我需要把它找出来纠正它。
Like, whether it is about grammar, is that about vocabulary, is about cohesion? What's that? Find it out! Practice! Yep.
例如，是语法疑问、词汇疑问仍是联接性的疑问？究竟是啥？找出来！操练！
Wow! I love that! I love that "the problem, is the problem". That is so important, because the problem is not you, not something you can't change. It's just there something you can approach and change and handle.
哇！我喜爱这句话！我喜爱“疑问就是疑问”。这太重要了，因为疑问不是你，不是某些不能改动的东西。而是某些你能找出来并加以改动和处置的东西。
That's great! I like that. Can I borrow that quote, "The problem, is the problem"? That's great! It's nice. And so if, again, I'm thinking for students who are studying IELTS and listening.
太棒了！我喜爱这句话。我可以引证“疑问就是疑问”这句话吗？说得太好了！极好。嗯，那么，我站在正在备考雅思和正在观看视频的学生们的视点问一下。
If you could go back in time, is there anything you would do differently or any kind of top tips you would give to students now, generally and for speaking? Okay. Generally, well, as I said, like, focus on the exam but not, like, judging yourself, not pushing yourself too hard.
假定你回到曩昔，你会做一些纷歧样的作业或许说你有啥诀窍能告诉这些学生吗，关于全体的考试和口语考试。好的。关于全体的考试，正如我说过，要专心于考试，而不是置疑自个，不要把自个逼得太紧。
And, like, we'll build up our skills generally. We don't build the Rome one day, right?
你的才能会逐步树立起来的。罗马不是在一天建成的，对吧？
So, it's a process and I feel like IELTS is like a thing that it's just a part of our life and like we just need the score to go where we want to go. But without it, our life is still meaningful, yes.
它是一个进程，我觉得雅思考试就像咱们日子的一有些，咱们只是需要它的分数往来不断咱们想去的当地。但没有它，咱们的日子仍然是有意义的。
Right, yes. IELTS is not the end of the world, right? Yes. Yeah. And for speaking, is like, I think try to speak more, try to speak more, try to use language more.
对，没错。雅思考试并不是世界的止境，对吧？对，是的。关于口语，我觉得要多说，多运用这门言语。
Like, yeah, and be yourself, like, be myself when answering questions, don't pretend to be someone else. Yeah. That helps.
在答复疑问的时分要做你自个，而不是假装做另一自个。对，这很有协助。
I remember when we, in the class and we were practicing that when you were speaking at times kind of giving almost memorized answers and ideas and then sometimes you shifted and just relaxed and became yourself. The change was huge, you remember?
我记住在课堂上当咱们操练的时分，你在说的时分就像背答案相同，而有时分你调整过来，放松下来做你自个。这种改变是无量的，你记住吗？
We're trying to capture that feeling and take that into the exam of just being you and just relaxing into your English if you like. Very nice. Brilliant! So, listen, what are the next steps for you now, now that you've got your your band seven?
咱们企图捉住这种感触，并把这种感触带到考试中去，在说英语的时分放松心境。非常好！太棒了！如今你现已拿到了七分，那么，你下一步是啥呢？
I will get my skills assessment and then I apply for PR and at the same time I have to prepare my resume to find a full-time job, I guess. Yeah. Fantastic! Well, that's absolutely brilliant.
我会向 PR 请求技能查核，一起我得预备简历找作业。太好了！真的非常好。
So, Xiaotang, thank you very much for coming in and talking to us. Again, it's been an absolute pleasure and it's been great to hear your success through your challenges and how you've coped with those.
晓棠，非常谢谢你来到这儿跟咱们谈天。真的非常开心，很高兴听到你在应战中获得成功，以及你如何应对这些应战。
I'm sure it's really helpful for other people to keep motivated as they study. Thank you, Keith.
我信赖这对其别人在学习中坚持动力是很有协助的。谢谢你，基斯。
Not at all! Thank you very much. We'll stay in touch and I will see you soon. Byebye. - Cheers! Byebye.
不谦让！非常谢谢你。坚持联络，再会。- 再会！
